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Here's a thread about eurorack from our Facebook group. Names are removed.

See this explanation of module form factors.

Yeah what is it with some of those Eurorack modules and their names? What does it do? What is it supposed to do? Why don't the modules match graphically? Why do the Euro systems look like a mishmash of thrown together pieces?

Because they're a mishmash of thrown together pieces.

I played around with Euro for a few up to 6U, 180 HP of fancy schmancy modules. But the bug "music" got boring pretty quickly. I sold it off and bought more MU modules. They just sound so much better.

180hp, huh? I currently have 1176hp of Euro. XD That's one of the things I don't understand about Eurocrack enthusiasts; With MU, you can brag about how much you have. Like I've got 40 spaces of Dotcom right now. Some people look at that number and wish they had that many modules, and others frown upon such a lowly figure from high atop their System-110's. In Euro, those guys are OBSESSED with having small systems. Like, here's a machine that can do anything in the world you want it to do, and you want less of it!? I mention how much I've got for my Eurorack and I'm considered a freak. Huh!?

In all fairness, I'm very happy with my euro system, but my thing was focusing on the nontraditional stuff like wavetables, samplers, shorwave radios, digital sequencers, and a billion flavors of filters and distortions. The more I use my euro system, the more I love it for what it is. The difference comes in when you try to go for a straight analog emulation. When I a/b'd MFB, Doepfer, and Analog Solutions VCO's against DotCom, there just wasn't any fair contest. Dotcom's unfiltered oscillators chew up Euro, spit it out, vomit on it, lets the acid from its saliva soften up the texture of the Euro, and then eats the whole thing in one bite. Eurorack sounds like a synth. Dotcom sounds like pure electricity.

It depends on what your goal is..... if it's just about making strange sounds and random noises Eurorack has lots of fancy modules to deliver that...... if your goal is serious synthesis you don't want that rather what you want is well calibrated "standard function" modules that deliver precise repeatable behavior... so you can approach your synthesis with knowledge and a plan and end up with expected results

I've recently dipped my toes in the Euro waters with a 208 HP Make Noise Shared System plus a few extra euro modules... mainly to experiment with a 'west coast' approach to synthesis and sound generation. I'm enjoying the experimentation, but for me, the jury is still out re. the Euro format. It's interesting trying out new things module-wise, but so far I've found it easier to get great sounds from a 55-space Dotcom system (which I have no plans to sell). Some Euro proponents talk about relatively lower costs... but that's certainly *not* the case when compared with dotcom components, which still seem to provide the best overall value on the market.

Disclaimer: I own no Eurorack modules, but I do own systems in various formats including a good sized 5U system. There are fine modules for the "serious synthesist" in the Euro format and there are goofy ones in 5U (not DotCom ones though wink emoticon ). Format has little to do with either sound or style of synthesis. That said there are an ocean of modules in Euro format, a lot of which are very specialized (not very general purpose and hence not as useful to a majority of people). Euro's major flaw in my mind is the size, but that can't really be considered a general flaw since I think the format appeals to people who want dense small systems for portability reasons or for reasons relating to the size of studios. BTW amongst my gear I do own a lot of Frac Rack modules. They are small (not very flat though). There are benefits and drawbacks to all the formats and connector types. I think we just love to argue about these things much the way my father used to argue with his friends about car manufactures (I'm in the US and he was a "Chevy man" vs. his friends who were "Ford men"). Just a bit of thumb twiddling IMHO.

You *CAN* run a mixed environment

Yes like Jeff says you can mix it up. Roger makes a nice interface module, but you can make your own if you don't want to devote a slot in your rack for it. I made this a long time ago to interface my Serge to my 1/8" modules. I put the 1/4" jacks on it for future use, which now has proved very useful:

You can also get a bunch of the converter modules and screws them into spare scraps of wood. That way you don't waste precious slots in your case. Or just get cables to do your conversion.

Mixing formats works great, even with just 1/4"-1/8" cables and I did a lot of it on this last thing I released. The difference imho is in the sonics of it. DotCom oscillators and filters sound like a vintage analog system at their core. Eurorack is more conducive to weirdness. Sure, there are oddball 5u modules out there, but the vast majority is the standard subtractive synthesis. Euro's just a different flavor and in a mix, the two formats work great together with the DotCom providing the meat and Euro providing the potatoes. I originally had an intention of selling my DotCom to go entirely Euro for the convenience, but now I have no plans of selling either system.

People need to understand that the "weird" sounds produced by "weird" modules on Eurorack CAN be produced (with a little planning) on any "standard system" IF they would take the time to LEARN the basics of synthesis...... the "weirder" the module the higher the price cause the manufacturer knows that many musicians in search of a sound ..... have more money than knowledge ..... they will pay anything to get a sound without taking the time to figure out how that sound can easily be made using the "standard building blocks"

or they'll pay to not have to wire up a function every time they play. There are certain things that make sense to be prepatched if it's an approach that you're into.

If you can't get good sounds out of euro, you should probably look to your skill or module choices... just saying'.

There are slight differences between 12/15v but yeah, there's some really great classic sounding euro stuff at this point but it doesn't get hyped as much so people don't think it exists, lol.

I sold my DotCom a couple of years ago to go back to eurorack because I physically had no more space to expand the modular. Also the constant standing up and sitting down was too much like exercise.

I own 5u, buchla, serge, and euro. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Euro is the fastest developing, with ingenious modules being produced at the moment, not just for bug music or sound design, euro can be every bit as musically based as a Dotcom if you choose the modules built for that purpose. Look at the new Roland System 500 modules for eg. Personally i use Euro more for soundscapes and have chosen my set up with that in mind. Modules like Clouds simply cannot be recreated on a dotcom with any amount of synthesis knowledge.... And then Clouds will never produce the monstrous synth sounds and sequencing my system 110 gives. Buchla and serge are just unique to themselves....all of them are wonderful. No point comparing and contrasting or being a modular format snob

Yeah, I have a 44 spaces of MU, a massive Buchla both DIY and e, and 18u of euro, and honestly can't say any of them really overlap in any significant way that begs the question of getting rid of one for the other. Seriously, there's no superiority of "sound" anywhere, but I honestly find the Buchla UI and design choices in arranging modules to be the most musically inspirational, but that's only a personal choice, nothing else.

Yes guys..... they all sound good for different purposes.... but this is a page..... not Muff Wiggler..... many of us do not have the money to buy hardware for all formats and we chose to go with Roger for specific reasons..... 1/4 inch patch cables..... large knobs..... functionally independent modules..... accurate, repeatable results.... Moog nostalgia.... good customer care..... etc.etc.etc....... this is really not the place to be singing the praises of Eurorack or other formats..... respect Roger Arrick ...... if he was not such an open-minded fellow your posts would probably have been deleted already..... when I joined this page after purchasing my dotcom, I wanted to learn more about using my wonderful new system..... sharing and comparing patches and performance with other dotcom users.... over on Muff Wiggler is the place to talk about modifying modules... mounting extra switches on modules.... cutting holes in the back of cabinets...... IF you are into that sort of thing fine... but most of us in here are not into that..... each forum has it's proper purpose....... maybe one day I might buy a Eurorack but I would not expect to come in here to find information about it or to tell people in here what a wonderful system it is .... find a Eurorack page to talk Eurorack talk.... I don't know how many people in here agree with me ?

What's the use of discussion if everyone automatically agrees with you? I definitely have dotcom, and am "friendly" to its community, but there's no way that it makes sense to have a thread that talks unnecessary nonsense about another format without others that enjoy that format chiming in. That's an absurd and silencing thought

If Roger has an issue with the mentioning of other modular formats as part of a wider discussion I'm certain he will mention it. I imagine there's no need for any self appointed prefects Stepen

As it turns out, I (re)discovered modular synthesizers when I was doing a search for a sequencer to use with my Simmons SDSV (the "real" Simmons!). It's not that I was unaware of modulars (I first listened to "Switched-On Bach" in the early '70s), but that I didn't realize that folks were manufacturing these things again! After some months of deciding between Eurorack and Roger's systems, I purchased his entry system (the Simmons forgotten for now), and I'm up to basically a system 66+. The price is great, as are the looks and the massive sound. At the same time, though, I've also acquired a few Eurorack modules, particularly the Harvestman Polivoks series (supporting the hometown builder!), because I like the sound, and the fact that it was a collaboration with the original designer, so they're not just some clone. But for most of the Eurorack set, it does seem there are some pretty esoteric, inscrutable modules out there, which have produced a lot of really boring Youtube videos! But I don't blame the modules themselves entirely. It's just a matter of "garbage in, garbage out." I won't comment on the less than attractive graphics of a lot of those Eurorack modules. Oh, wait..

IMO it's all good. Modular synthesis seemed practically dead before guys like Roger, and Paul, and Bruce, and Dieter resurrected it in the 90s. Euro is exploding right now with a proliferation of builders and modules. It's hard not to be at least a little intrigued by that. But I don't think Roger has to be overly worried (at least I really hope not). His line of products is outstanding, his service and reputation is excellent, and his price/performance is the best I've seen. The modular market *seems* to be growing faster than ever with the recent Euro-explosion... and hopefully that rising tide will lift all boats, 5U included.

That's what I love about it! It's "Forbidden Planet-Louis&Bebe Baron time" all over again! I'm just about to order up a big ol' DotCom synth 'cause I love me my Moog-style since I was a teen, but I may have to augment my all-MU-style rig with Euro to get some sought-after filters and that dang Bode! (To frustrate me more, I live 5 minutes from Big City Music in LA, where one of those (very pricey!) Bode puppies sits on a shelf, calling to me...Bravo, sir, shift on!

I agree with Roger's statement of the great named eurorack module, but WTF does it do syndrome. Stick with dot com.

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